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  -----Original Message-----
From: Ronald J. Riley <rjriley@RJRILEY.COM>
To: INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM <INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 12:52 AM
Subject: Fw: INVENTION SUBMISSION CORPORATION

I am cross posting this to both InventNet and the Society of Professional
Journalist's lists.

There has been a chronic problem with invention promotion companies taking
advantage of inventors.  It is not unusual for them to fleece inventors for
$10,000 to $20,000.  The FTC has run numerous sting operations against these
companies, but the penalties levied are not adequate to deter the
perpetuators.

The inventor community has been organizing over the last five years ( see:
www.rjriley.com/media/ ), sharing information about invention promotion
firms who scam inventors early on, and also about corporate predators who
steal the fruits of inventors whose inventions do succeed in the market.

Neither group of predators is very happy about inventor collaboration.  The
reason for this note is to make journalists aware that the President of
Invention Submission Corporation, Martin S. Berger, has infiltrated the most
popular inventor forum, InventNet, and threatened critics.  His threat
follows.  I am sure he would be happy to discuss his operation and why
leaders of the inventor community like myself view companies like ISC as
rather unsavory.

I am ready to supply any journalist interested in this issue with many
government and inventor community contacts.

See: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F93/invention4.txt ,
http://members.aol.com/icgc/isc_news.htm

And more information may be obtained by using the FTC search engine at :
http://www.ftc.gov/cgi-bin/AT-globalsearch.cgi

Ronald J. Riley  www.rjriley.com  (810) 655-8830

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  -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harris <tekscout@SPRYNET.COM>
To: INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM <INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: INVENTION SUBMISSION CORPORATION

You know Mr. Bereger, I have a footnote to add to my message of
yesterday.

There is another highly dubious promoter located in North Carolina by the
name of Ivan Kaardal, he manages to use the very same patent attornies in
Michael Colitz (Jr. and Sr.) that you do?  Strange coincidence, wouldn't
you say? I find that your Michael Colitz, who resides in Florida, files
design patents for ISC, but does the searches for Ivan K.'s group.  This
too me brings to mind an old law on the books, I think it may be called
"racketeering" or something like that, because it would appear that the
attorney that files design patents for Ivan's firm also does searching
for yours!  Wow, what a deal!  What a conflict of interest!  Are we
having fun yet?

Mr. Berger, you cannot threaten nor cajole those who disagree with your
tactics into submission by threats of litigation.  This forum has seen a
plethora of posts in regards to inventor-related issues that affect the
little guys, and many of them bear the abbreviation "ISC."  With your
offensive towards those who disagree with you, you had best be careful,
you must have lived the last several years in a vacuum to not know how
John Q. Public feels about your services.  The ultimate goal of this
Listserve is to protect and serve the American Inventor, not to line
pockets and steal dreams.  If you are indeed what you say you are, prove
it, right here, right now, by supplying to all of us your own email
address (surely you can afford one, as much advertising as your company
does), as well as the percentage figures others here have asked for.  As
well, why would you instruct your employees to tell other inventors that
seek your services that your success rate is "proprietary," isn't the
best type of advertising that which comes from satisfied customers?

In short Mr. Berger, I see your attempt to intimidate as an act of
desparation.  This is a very well-informed list, we deal honestly with
the inventors on a day in, day out basis.  You are a stranger here, and
th first post you make is a threat!  I suggest you find a different rock
to hide under, and realize that your tactics will gain no sympathy here.

Jim Harris

<views expressed are my own>

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  -----Original Message-----
From: David F. Cox <bigd@KBNET.CO.UK>
To: INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM <INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: INVENTION SUBMISSION CORPORATION

Ron Riley wrote:
<< I suggest that ISC's subscription to this list should be terminated. >>

Sorry Ron, but I suggest it should not. Sometimes you can learn more from
your enemies than your friends. This corporation has apparantly been going
for a long time. In the crude capitalistic sense, they are doing something
right. Hopefully there are some real success stories that they have been
associated with, and we will hear about them.

It is beyond belief that a company with ISC's undoubted marketing skills has
allowed most of its tales of glory to be wrapped up in confidentiality
agreements. The media loves the small-town-boy-made-good stories, and most
people with a product to sell wants all the free publicity they can get.

Really, if ISC cannot come up with dozens of success stories from its long
service in many countries then they cannot be surprised if people seriously
worry about them, and extrapolate from a few alleged complaints to a general
case.

and, right on cue, we have Ken Murray who worote:

<< I have an invention that may make $22,000,000 in 5 years and I say it was
just perserverence, In spite of the fact that I had gotten in touch with ISC
and was told that I had a
"Million dollar idea" before I even told them what it was. >>

There we are, an unsolicited testimonial from an Inventnet member. ISC
discovered his potential before anybody else. :-)

( Ken, in case you did not know, the :-) is a "smiley face" symbol, which
means what you just said was a joke. I hated and avoided it at first. It is
too much like telling people "laugh now". However having seeing unnecessary
hurt being caused because people took things the wrong way, I have reformed,
a bit.

In this case a similar comment to yours could be given the same spin as I
gave it, and used in advertising by an unscrupulous company. There have been
several cases here of companies using "as seen on TV" as a sales tool, when
in fact it was "as exposed on TV" )

David F. Cox, Bedford, U.K.

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  -----Original Message-----
From: Jack Lander <jlander@MAGS.NET>
To: INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM <INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: INVENTION SUBMISSION CORPORATION

Martin S. Berger, president of Invention Submission Corp. wrote:

> I am the President of Invention Submission Corporation (ISC).  You have both published false information about me on your website on July 27, 1998.  You state,  (snip)
>
> “The Listerine Case is thrown up by Martin Berger, of ISC, as an example

> I do not throw up this case and I have no scam victims.

To the contrary ISC is one of the few invention companies in the U.S.
complying with federal and state regulations.

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A scam by any other name would stink as much, to paraphrase Shakespeare.

A person may comply with the law literally, and still get away with with
screwing his fellow man royally.

I wonder what an honest, objective survey of a random large number of
ISC clients would reveal as to their opinion of whether or not they have
been scammed - - regardless of its dictionary definition.

Jack Lander
The Inventor's Bookstore

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From: Tom Mosley <tmosley@silverback.GORILLA.NET>
To: INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM <INVENTORS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: INVENTION SUBMISSION CORPORATION

Martin S. Berger wrote:

>No one has been harmed by ISC.
>ISC is the most open and fair dealing invention company in the U.S.

I have a tough time understanding how the vast majority of those involved
with helping inventors hold an opposite view.  The difference in Berger's
opinion and theirs seems to be as far as the east is from the west.

If no one has been harmed why has ISC settled with the Federal Trade
Commission twice?  I believe the last time was for $1.2 million.

>We reveal all of our prices, statistics and disclaimers up front
pursuant to federal regulation.

It would be interesting if a copy of ISC's current contract was posted
here, so that we all might have an opportunity to evaluate it.

Finally, if there was so much criticism of the way I conducted my business,
I think I would be forced to consider changing.  I would have to be a very bedeviled
man to threaten those who freely give so much to new product development.

Tom Mosley
Tulsa

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